From: "Lolley Wei Luo" <lluo@novell.com>
Subject: Re: HP (founder fonts: odd EULA)
To: <mfabian@suse.de>
Cc: <jw@suse.de>, "Oliver Nachtrab" <oliver.nachtrab@suse.de>
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:31:54 -0600
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Hi Mike,
Yes, I confirm this is a translation mistake after I compare Chinese version and English version. What item 3 in Chinese want to say is " Making use of Founder fonts in any form in any non-commerical or commerical software or products except Novell serial products"

Hope this clairfy the thing.

Thanks and best regards.

Lolley Luo
Marketing & Channel Director
Novell China
T: (8610)83915151
F: (8610)83915141
E: lluo@novell.com

>>> Mike FABIAN <mfabian@suse.de> 2004-9-10 21:23:11 >>>
Hi Lolley,

Jrgen Weigert has a question concerning the license of the Founder
fonts.

Point 3 of the license below sounds like nobody is allowed to
do anything with the font. No commercial and no non-commercial
use means no use at all.

I guess that is just a mistake because whoever wrote that license
could not write English well. Probably the intention is that
only Novell is allowed to use the font and nobody else. Probably
the intention of Point 3 is only to forbid that other companies
of individuals outside of Novell make use of the font.

What is written in the Chinese version of the license?
Point 3 in Chinese says:

    3**************Novell***********
       **********

Can you please clarify what that means? Nobody here can read Chinese.

It contains the word Novell and * (probably means "except")
and ******** (probably means commercial or non-commercial)

I guess this means that nobody except Novell is allowed to
use the font for commercial or non-commercial reason.

Maybe you can ask Founder to update the English text of the license to
make the intention of Point 3 clear?

Thank you very much,

      Mike

Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> *ޤ:

> On Sep 02, 04 09:09:29 +0200, Oliver Nachtrab wrote:
>> Juergen, 
>> 
>> please go ahead as proposed, but include the TAM(s), so they are aware 
>> of what's happening.
>
> Okay.
>
> Concerning ttf-founder fonts:
> We have a redistribution agreement, signed by Lolley Lou.
> But:
>
> The Eula appears to disallow commercial and non-commercial use.
> What is the end user supposed to do with these fonts?
> Evaluation only?
>
> [ttf-founder.tar.bz2/ttf-founder/COPYRIGHT-Founder.txt]
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 
>
>                             Copyright Declaration
>
> Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd. hereby
> grants to Novell Inc. the license to use Founder 
> GB 18030-2000 Simplified Chinese FZSongTi, FZFangSong, FZHeiTi, FZKaiTi
> Truetype Font and BIG5 traditional Chinese FZMing,FZKai in his serial
> product(s)("Founder fonts")
>
> Any individual or organization is prohibited from conducting any
> one of the acts below without prior written license from Beijing Founder
> Electronics Co., Ltd.:
>
> 1.Separating founder fonts from Novell serial product(s);
> 2.Any change done to the format in founder fonts;
> 3.Making use of founder fonts in any form in any non-commercial
>   or commercial;
> 4.Separating of this Copyright Declaration from founder fonts;
> 5.Changing founder fonts or convert founder fonts into any other format;
> 6.Developing any extension software based on founder fonts;
> 7.Modification or remove of any declaration or logo,mark or sign
>   in relation to any copyright or other proprietary notice of founder
>   fonts.
>
> Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd. shall investigate and fix legal
> liabilities to any
> action in violation of this Copyright Declaration.
>
> Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd.
> ADDRESS: 9,No.5 Street, Shangdi Information Industry                        
>          Base, Haidian District, Beijng 100085, China
> TEL: +86-10-62982266
> FAX: +86-10-62981438
> E-mail: gzq@founder.com 
>
> Copyright (C) 2004 Reserved by Beijing Founder Electronics Co., Ltd.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 
>
> Mike, can you please check, that the above 
> '3.Making use of founder fonts in any form in any non-commercial
>  or commercial' 
> is a correct translation?
>
>         thanks,
>                 Jw.
>
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