Subject: Re: SNMP management tools

From: "Brett D. Watson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 01:29:29 -0700

mci can't do much about tlg's routing.  tlg (last i knew) had
*multiple* circuits to mci, and i see from a previous note here that
they connect to crl.  taking jabs at mci isn't going to help you.

-brett

> Okay, I am not sure who is responsible for the "creative routing" tunnel
> connection from tlg.net to mci. The "creative routing" problem was
> first reported to John Gilmore around May 15 and he then pass on the
> information to tlg.net . I am sure that John can clarify further
> at his attempts to get a better mbone connection.
> 
> I am hoping that MCI also takes notice of this "creative routing" problem
> so that it may be solved soon. 
> 
> As for the  need for unicast connection , I am hoping that if we use
> snmp we will get better stats :
> 
> {hasty} mtrace dec3800-1-fddi-0.WillowSprings.mci.net 224.2.100.102
> Mtrace from 204.70.104.29 to 204.188.121.18 via group 224.2.100.102
> Querying full reverse path... * switching to hop-by-hop:
>   0  rah.star-gate.com (204.188.121.18)
>  -1  rah.star-gate.com (204.188.121.18)  DVMRP  thresh^ 1  
>  -2  toad.com (140.174.2.1)  DVMRP  thresh^ 1  
>  -3  * * dec3800-2-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.77)  DVMRP  thresh^ 
> 64  
>  -4  * * dec3800-2-fddi-0.Denver.mci.net (204.70.152.61)  DVMRP  thresh^ 1  
>  -5  * * dec3800-1-fddi-0.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.104.29)  DVMRP  
> thresh^ 1  
>  -6  dec3800-1-fddi-0.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.104.29)
> Round trip time 159 ms
> 
> Waiting to accumulate statistics... Results after 9 seconds:
> 
>   Source        Response Dest    Packet Statistics For     Only For Traffic
> 204.70.104.29   224.0.1.32       All Multicast Traffic     From 204.70.104.29
>      v       __/  rtt  186 ms    Lost/Sent = Pct  Rate       To 224.2.100.102
> 204.70.104.29   dec3800-1-fddi-0.WillowSprings.mci.net 
>      v     ^      ttl    1        0/29   =  0%   0 pps     0/0    = --%   0 pps
> 204.70.152.77  
> 204.70.152.61   dec3800-2-fddi-0.Denver.mci.net 
>      v     ^      ttl    2        0/24   =  0%   0 pps     0/0    = --%   0 pps
> 204.70.158.77   dec3800-2-fddi-1.SanFrancisco.mci.net 
>      v     ^      ttl   64       -3/656  =  0%   0 pps     0/0    = --%   0 pps
>                                  ^^^^^^^
> 140.174.2.1     toad.com       
>      v     ^      ttl   65        1/19   =  5%   2 pps     0/0    = --%   0 pps
> 204.188.121.18  rah.star-gate.com 
>      v      \__   ttl   66          20           0 pps       0            0 pps
> 204.188.121.18  204.188.121.18
>   Receiver      Query Source
> 
> 
> BTW: On a good note is that the mci routers seems to be routing the
> FreeBSD video lounge --- not sure if the Sun box got rebooted 
> or the mci routers got fixed however it is nice that the video 
> stream is now working again --- Tnks!
> 
> 
> 	Regards,
> 	Amancio
> 
> From The Desk Of "Jeff Young" :
> > was that another snipe at us, or are you picking on
> > rg.net now?  :-)
> > 
> > Jeff Young
> > [email-masked]
> > 
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> > > Received: (from pete@localhost) by silver.sms.fi (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA14312;
>  Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:47:22 +0300 (EET DST)
> > > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 12:47:22 +0300 (EET DST)
> > > Message-Id: <[email-masked]>
> > > From: Petri Helenius <[email-masked]>
> > > To: Amancio Hasty <[email-masked]>
> > > Cc: "Jeff Young" <[email-masked]>, dave pratt <[email-masked]>,
> > >         mbone global list <[email-masked]>
> > > Subject: Re: SNMP management tools 
> > > In-Reply-To: <[email-masked]>
> > > References: <[email-masked]>
> > > 	<[email-masked]>
> > > Sender: [email-masked]
> > > Precedence: bulk
> > > Content-Type: text
> > > Content-Length: 1141
> > > 
> > > Amancio Hasty writes:
> > >  > max, 40 byte packets
> > >  >  1  ascend (204.188.121.17)  1.812 ms  1.615 ms  1.598 ms
> > >  >  2  asc400-1.v-site.net (204.188.119.2)  27.635 ms  27.614 ms  27.483 ms
> > >  >  3  gateway.v-site.net (204.188.119.1)  29.791 ms  29.887 ms  29.719 ms
> > >  >  4  tlg-cust-link.tlg.net (140.174.37.17)  41.029 ms  39.015 ms  38.235 
> ms
> > >  >  5  gw1-sf-tlg.tlg.net (140.174.13.2)  41.648 ms  40.456 ms  40.013 ms
> > >  >  6  h0.r0.pdx.rain.rg.net (199.2.96.9)  60.109 ms  55.014 ms  55.716 ms
> > >  >  7  s1.r0.tig.rain.rg.net (199.2.96.6)  62.285 ms  58.287 ms  67.193 ms
> > >  >  8  border1-serial2-4.Seattle.mci.net (204.70.52.25)  67.154 ms  59.850 
> ms  
> > >  > 68.439 ms
> > >  >  9  core1-fddi-0.Seattle.mci.net (204.70.2.145)  61.747 ms  174.709 ms  
> 70.366 
> > >  > ms
> > >  > 10  core2.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.4.201)  60.626 ms  71.869 ms  64.
> 044 ms
> > >  > 11  * *^C
> > >  > 
> > >  > 
> > >  > Oh, I am located in San Francisco .
> > >  > 
> > >  > Hope things get better soon....
> > >  > 
> > > Actually no since that is called 'creative routing' which seems to be
> > > mainly due to your choice of providers. That the last hop does not
> > > answer falls into 'you have no business of...' category of MCI policy.
> > > 
> > > Pete
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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